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sábado, 28 de junio de 2014
Language or dialect?
Read pages from 39 to 44 on Language, power, social standing, and identity by Peregoy and Boyle. Reflect on the case of Ebonics and the case of the English spoken in the Bay Islands. How are they different? How are they similar? Explain
English spoken in the Bay Islands and Ebonics totally both similar cases , I actually agree to the part that literary comperes the evolution of the Ebony language with an alchemy that transforms ancient elements into a new language. If we go back into the language attic of the Bay Island we are totaly going to discover much similarities. Like that of how both languages are a mixture of English spoken and African American spoken, Also is a way of communicating feelings, family history,ethnic pride ect. During the reading I could discover more similarities than differences both are for my criteria languages not a dialect..
Well I found it interesting in the first place because he did not know what it meant Ebonic and through the text I realized it, because the similarity between Ebonics and English language spoken in the islands of the bay are similar because the blacks who speak originate in African Americans and was as an introduction to it and this was expanded through the different countries where we now have native people of this country and so it is important to see how the introduction of this for so African Americans could defend in learning and knowledge of this.
The difference found in this because Ebonics is the native language being studied through the grammar and particular rules in the United States of America especially implemented by black Africans who were slaves during the time of colonization and the islands of the bay is the constant mix of English language changed because of daily use, where it could be said to be expanding as time progresses. as reflection is important to recognize that every language is born from the nuclear family, as mother tongue, through the actions and behaviors that are shown from babies and if we reject the language that we are therefore specifically disown our race and identity.JOSUE ALEJANDRO ZUNIGA
All languages that comes from one area and are spread to other parts of the world pass by a process that makes the original language evolve and change , how ? by loosing some words and replaced by new , include words from the native languages of the area, the accent mixes with the native and produce a new way of pronouncing , until it turns as final new variety of the the language, a dialect or a totally new one. This new communicative tool affects a group of people creating a new style of speaking . a new culture that may overcome even the original language. Ebonic is just one of many of this idiomatic phenomenas that has taken place in civilization, the same happened in our bay islands. English arrived and began its process of evolving and adapting to the uses of the caribbean habitants.This gives identity to a group of people and help to the birth of a new social culture in the world. Josue Noel Calix Vargas (Joshua)
The case of the Ebonics and the English of the Bay Islands are very similar, because the language spoken in Bay Islands is a variety of English acquired by the people of the island throughout the years. This English, like the text says has a history that mirrors the people who speak it. Islanders they communicate, they express themselves, they educate and learn with this type of English they've created all through these years.
James Baldwin said that the “language is the most vivid key to identity”, when we analyze the case of Ebonics we can see a variety of English spoken, having some differences in grammar and pronunciation. This case has a close relation with our English spoken in Bay Island, which is consider for the Bay Island natives as one of the branches of English, even when some consider their way to speak just as a “dialect”, now we know that the general concept of that word is incorrect, dialect is a way of living and join not only letters and sounds but also personal backgrounds. One difference between the case of Ebonics and the case of the English spoken in Bay Island is that the “Black English” has been spread through most of the America, but in the case of the English spoken in Bay Island it is just spoken in its community. The most important point here is not how they speak, but how that language or “dialect” affects the environment, the lives, culture, and adds a personal characteristics for those who speak it.
Ebonics is a variety of English spoken at least some of time by many African American in the United States. Ebonics and the English of the Bay Islands are very similar one to each other. They both have a personal, social, racial, ethnic and national identity in their speaking language. The people who speak the English of the Bay Islands understand and defend this speaking as a language and not a dialect. I agree. Beacause it is been made up of their ethnicity and history, making it particular, unique and of their own.
The language we speak forms an important element of who we are, our social identity, our racial ethnoc identity, even our national identity. The case of Ebonics and the English spoken in Bay Islands have a lot in common since both are a variety of English spoken, an alchemy that transformed ancient elements into a new language, both started in a way to express and cominicate with others. The diffrence between them is their , grammar and syntax. Also each one has its own identity and cultural background
From my point of view they are similar because, the language they speak is in a elaborate way in socializing with their family, and forms an important element to their identity.
There is no doubt at all that every language with any of its "versions" has been influenced by at least the sociocultural factor. Within this case in particular: Similarities: both are versions of the English language influenced at some point by African descendants. In the Bay Islands case we have two "versions" of spoken English: the British (from the early settlers) and the garifunas (black slaves mixed with natives of St. Vincent and the Grenadines). Difference: Ebonics particularly is heard across the US. The English spoken at the Bay Islands is only heard at the Bay Islands and not at any other location in the country. I had the opportunity to live in The Bahamas and in Trinidad and Tobago which are both English speaking countries with a life-long British influence. In both countries even though their mother tongue is English they both have variations in vocabulary, pronunciation, pace, rhythm, etc. I could clearly identify overseas a "trini" and a "bahamiam" with just listening a few words coming out of their mouth. I totally agree with Peregory and Boyle in stating that "the home language is essential for communicating cultural values, family history, and ethnic pride". Anna C. Torres R.
How interesting! I think the most important lesson learned here is to start loving all different variations for what they are and where they come from, more than whether they are closer to the standard English or not.
In this lecture, Ebonics and English spoken in the Bay Island are very similar. Both language are a combination of a variety of the English language. They both defend their speaking as a language not as a dialect. As language is an identity of who you are, where you come from, your culture, your background… I agree with them on fighting for their language, as this is their identity.
“Our culture, our traditions, our language, are the foundations upon which we build our identity.”
Now, I totally agree that Ebonics and Bay Islands are languages, not dialects. Why?, because they both share a common political origin, but as time passes by, they have settled,evolved, and reflects all, traditions, experiences, ways, social development. It doesn´t matter if a large portion or a short one speaks Ebonics or Bay Island language, they represent a society evolution through the years. Cynthia Garay.
I totally agree now Ebonics and Bay Island are similar because they speak the same language with some different pronunciation but still a language they defend their language because is their identity of who they are and where they come from. it is not a dialect . The difference is the gramar and suntax.
Well done everybody!!. We still need to elaborate more our ideas before we share them here. Please see Sulamita's, Anna Crsitina's, Joshua's comments in order to have an idea how to post your opinion next time. See you soon.
I think that ebonics and english spoken in the bay islands are both languages, because both of them represent the culture and customs of the different places with some new words included and other ones excluded they represent the people in those places and that´s why I think we can not say it is a dialect, but we can assure it is a language. Fanny Martinez
I buy this: When people communicate via language, the engage in more than an exchange of words, they engage in an exchange of consciousness as meeaning is negotiated and understanding achieved or not achieve (Mikhail Bakhtin) I also agree (and at the same time desagree) with this "political statusrather than mutual intelligibility plays the decidiengf role in distinguishing langua from dialect.
About the Ebonics case and the bay Island English maybe I dont have it all clear but what I really get on this pages is that each group or nation prints on the language their history, their beliefs, their culture and their unique style. So if Bay Island people and Ebonics or black people found the way they use that language ( English) without loosing their world vision, their family traditions, their way to be I appritiate that and they have they Language because when you open your mouth you have confessed your parents, your youth, your school, your salary, etc. And I mean: If what you are its good: Go on and show them.
As I read on the text, the language we speak is so intrincately interwoven with our early socialization to family and community, it forms an important element of our identity on a personal,social,racial,ethnic, even national way. in the case of the Ebonics English spoken by Africans Americans and english spoken in the Bay Islands, both have this identities and a variety of english spoken, transforming ancient elements into a new language. that makes their speaking a language and not a dialect. The differences between the Ebonics and English spoken in Bay Islands is the grammar and the pronunciation. Also as the text says, the black english got expanded through different countries, but in the case of Bay Islands thier english stayed in its community. Danelle Ortega
The fact is that each of us speaks a particular variety of dialect of the language we are born into, but all language varieties are legitimate and equal. In the case of the Ebonics or African American Language and the English spoken in the Bay Islands are both a particular way of communication that have evolved but have their roots in the English Language. The differences might be in the pronunciacion, the history, the sociocultural background, the identity of the people who speak each one of them. Other differences might have to do with the prestige or the power, since the Ebonics is more spoken than the English in the Bay Islands. In conclusion "dialect" is just a misused term, respecting everybody´s way of speaking is important.
The Ebonics like the Bay Island people descendent pf African men and women, and a similitude is that the adoption of foreign language , and the ability thst has a person to reach a standard language. Other difference is the language we use and particular way speaking are part of the sociocultural learning.
I think that English spoken in the Bay Islands and Ebonics are both the same cases of communication that have evolved. I actually agree that both are languages not dialects because as human beings each of us is born into a family and community in which we acquire basic ways of behaving, believing and making interpretation about the world around us. Even though they are similar in their variety of English spoken also in their widely studied, and its particular rules of grammar, pronunciation, and discourse have been described by linguists.
During my Reading time I could not find any difference. There were more similarities than differences OLMAN ALEXIS HERNANDEZ
Ebonic is a variety of inglish spoken a least some people in the united estates and the inglish from the Bay Island both are decendant from african. But both depend to the culture each one.
I could say that both Ebonics and the English spoken in The Bay Islands are languages with many similarities.For instance,they both come from descendants of African men and women who were captured to work as slaves in America and so they created their own language derived from the English language which can give them personal,social,racial,ethnic and national identity.The difference between them is their grammar and pronunciation.As a conclusion I can say that it is essential that the language we speak must give us pride,honor and recognition.
It has been a misuse of the term Dialect. Scholars use it right, as a descriptive term to refer to regional and social variations within a particular language. But in everyday usage it often carries a negative, pejorative connotation.
The fact is that each of us speaks a particular variety or dialect of the language we are born into, and all languages varieties are legitimate and equal as communication systems.
In the case of Ebonics or African American Language it is a variety of English spoken by African Americans in the United States. Baldwin suggests that when the slaves were given the bible by their White masters, the formation of the Black church began and ¨it was within this unprecedented tabernacle that Black English began to be formed¨. ¨This was not, merely... the adoption of a foreing tongue, but an alchemy that transformed ancient elements into a new language¨.
Ebonics and Bay Islands English are similar in that they are both a Variety of English and all languages varieties are legitimate and equal as comunication systems. The difference between them are some facts of their Histories and that they both have systematic differences in phonology, morphology, syntax, semantics and pragmatics.
English spoken in the Bay Islands and Ebonics totally both similar cases , I actually agree to the part that literary comperes the evolution of the Ebony language with an alchemy that transforms ancient elements into a new language. If we go back into the language attic of the Bay Island we are totaly going to discover much similarities. Like that of how both languages are a mixture of English spoken and African American spoken, Also is a way of communicating feelings, family history,ethnic pride ect.
ResponderEliminarDuring the reading I could discover more similarities than differences both are for my criteria languages not a dialect..
DESIREE BLANCO
Well I found it interesting in the first place because he did not know what it meant Ebonic and through the text I realized it, because the similarity between Ebonics and English language spoken in the islands of the bay are similar because the blacks who speak originate in African Americans and was as an introduction to it and this was expanded through the different countries where we now have native people of this country and so it is important to see how the introduction of this for so African Americans could defend in learning and knowledge of this.
ResponderEliminarThe difference found in this because Ebonics is the native language being studied through the grammar and particular rules in the United States of America especially implemented by black Africans who were slaves during the time of colonization and the islands of the bay is the constant mix of English language changed because of daily use, where it could be said to be expanding as time progresses.
as reflection is important to recognize that every language is born from the nuclear family, as mother tongue, through the actions and behaviors that are shown from babies and if we reject the language that we are therefore specifically disown our race and identity.JOSUE ALEJANDRO ZUNIGA
All languages that comes from one area and are spread to other parts of the world pass by a process that makes the original language evolve and change , how ? by loosing some words and replaced by new , include words from the native languages of the area, the accent mixes with the native and produce a new way of pronouncing , until it turns as final new variety of the the language, a dialect or a totally new one. This new communicative tool affects a group of people creating a new style of speaking . a new culture that may overcome even the original language.
ResponderEliminarEbonic is just one of many of this idiomatic phenomenas that has taken place in civilization, the same happened in our bay islands. English arrived and began its process of evolving and adapting to the uses of the caribbean habitants.This gives identity to a group of people and help to the birth of a new social culture in the world.
Josue Noel Calix Vargas (Joshua)
The case of the Ebonics and the English of the Bay Islands are very similar, because the language spoken in Bay Islands is a variety of English acquired by the people of the island throughout the years. This English, like the text says has a history that mirrors the people who speak it. Islanders they communicate, they express themselves, they educate and learn with this type of English they've created all through these years.
ResponderEliminarMaria Renee de León
James Baldwin said that the “language is the most vivid key to identity”, when we analyze the case of Ebonics we can see a variety of English spoken, having some differences in grammar and pronunciation. This case has a close relation with our English spoken in Bay Island, which is consider for the Bay Island natives as one of the branches of English, even when some consider their way to speak just as a “dialect”, now we know that the general concept of that word is incorrect, dialect is a way of living and join not only letters and sounds but also personal backgrounds.
ResponderEliminarOne difference between the case of Ebonics and the case of the English spoken in Bay Island is that the “Black English” has been spread through most of the America, but in the case of the English spoken in Bay Island it is just spoken in its community.
The most important point here is not how they speak, but how that language or “dialect” affects the environment, the lives, culture, and adds a personal characteristics for those who speak it.
Sulamita López
Ebonics is a variety of English spoken at least some of time by many African American in the United States. Ebonics and the English of the Bay Islands are very similar one to each other. They both have a personal, social, racial, ethnic and national identity in their speaking language. The people who speak the English of the Bay Islands understand and defend this speaking as a language and not a dialect. I agree. Beacause it is been made up of their ethnicity and history, making it particular, unique and of their own.
ResponderEliminarMaria Fernanda Padilla
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ResponderEliminarThe language we speak forms an important element of who we are, our social identity, our racial ethnoc identity, even our national identity. The case of Ebonics and the English spoken in Bay Islands have a lot in common since both are a variety of English spoken, an alchemy that transformed ancient elements into a new language, both started in a way to express and cominicate with others. The diffrence between them is their , grammar and syntax. Also each one has its own identity and cultural background
ResponderEliminarDayanna Reynaud
From my point of view they are similar because, the language they speak is in a elaborate way in socializing with their family, and forms an important element to their identity.
ResponderEliminarSandra López
There is no doubt at all that every language with any of its "versions" has been influenced by at least the sociocultural factor.
ResponderEliminarWithin this case in particular:
Similarities: both are versions of the English language influenced at some point by African descendants. In the Bay Islands case we have two "versions" of spoken English: the British (from the early settlers) and the garifunas (black slaves mixed with natives of St. Vincent and the Grenadines).
Difference: Ebonics particularly is heard across the US. The English spoken at the Bay Islands is only heard at the Bay Islands and not at any other location in the country.
I had the opportunity to live in The Bahamas and in Trinidad and Tobago which are both English speaking countries with a life-long British influence. In both countries even though their mother tongue is English they both have variations in vocabulary, pronunciation, pace, rhythm, etc. I could clearly identify overseas a "trini" and a "bahamiam" with just listening a few words coming out of their mouth.
I totally agree with Peregory and Boyle in stating that "the home language is essential for communicating cultural values, family history, and ethnic pride".
Anna C. Torres R.
How interesting! I think the most important lesson learned here is to start loving all different variations for what they are and where they come from, more than whether they are closer to the standard English or not.
EliminarIn this lecture, Ebonics and English spoken in the Bay Island are very similar. Both language are a combination of a variety of the English language. They both defend their speaking as a language not as a dialect. As language is an identity of who you are, where you come from, your culture, your background… I agree with them on fighting for their language, as this is their identity.
ResponderEliminar“Our culture, our traditions, our language, are the foundations upon which we build our identity.”
Cecilia Vallecillo
Now, I totally agree that Ebonics and Bay Islands are languages, not dialects. Why?, because they both share a common political origin, but as time passes by, they have settled,evolved, and reflects all, traditions, experiences, ways, social development. It doesn´t matter if a large portion or a short one speaks Ebonics or Bay Island language, they represent a society evolution through the years. Cynthia Garay.
ResponderEliminarI totally agree now Ebonics and Bay Island are similar because they speak the same language with some different pronunciation but still a language they defend their language because is their identity of who they are and where they come from. it is not a dialect . The difference is the gramar and suntax.
ResponderEliminarElda Lones.
Well done everybody!!. We still need to elaborate more our ideas before we share them here. Please see Sulamita's, Anna Crsitina's, Joshua's comments in order to have an idea how to post your opinion next time. See you soon.
ResponderEliminarI think that ebonics and english spoken in the bay islands are both languages, because both of them represent the culture and customs of the different places with some new words included and other ones excluded they represent the people in those places and that´s why I think we can not say it is a dialect, but we can assure it is a language. Fanny Martinez
ResponderEliminarI buy this: When people communicate via language, the engage in more than an exchange of words, they engage in an exchange of consciousness as meeaning is negotiated and understanding achieved or not achieve (Mikhail Bakhtin) I also agree (and at the same time desagree) with this "political statusrather than mutual intelligibility plays the decidiengf role in distinguishing langua from dialect.
ResponderEliminarAbout the Ebonics case and the bay Island English maybe I dont have it all clear but what I really get on this pages is that each group or nation prints on the language their history, their beliefs, their culture and their unique style. So if Bay Island people and Ebonics or black people found the way they use that language ( English) without loosing their world vision, their family traditions, their way to be I appritiate that and they have they Language because when you open your mouth you have confessed your parents, your youth, your school, your salary, etc. And I mean: If what you are its good: Go on and show them.
Rosalinda Rosales
As I read on the text, the language we speak is so intrincately interwoven with our early socialization to family and community, it forms an important element of our identity on a personal,social,racial,ethnic, even national way. in the case of the Ebonics English spoken by Africans Americans and english spoken in the Bay Islands, both have this identities and a variety of english spoken, transforming ancient elements into a new language. that makes their speaking a language and not a dialect.
ResponderEliminarThe differences between the Ebonics and English spoken in Bay Islands is the grammar and the pronunciation. Also as the text says, the black english got expanded through different countries, but in the case of Bay Islands thier english stayed in its community.
Danelle Ortega
The fact is that each of us speaks a particular variety of dialect of the language we are born into, but all language varieties are legitimate and equal. In the case of the Ebonics or African American Language and the English spoken in the Bay Islands are both a particular way of communication that have evolved but have their roots in the English Language. The differences might be in the pronunciacion, the history, the sociocultural background, the identity of the people who speak each one of them. Other differences might have to do with the prestige or the power, since the Ebonics is more spoken than the English in the Bay Islands. In conclusion "dialect" is just a misused term, respecting everybody´s way of speaking is important.
ResponderEliminarThe Ebonics like the Bay Island people descendent pf African men and women, and a similitude is that the adoption of foreign language , and the ability thst has a person to reach a standard language.
ResponderEliminarOther difference is the language we use and particular way speaking are part of the sociocultural learning.
Ana Alvarez
I think that English spoken in the Bay Islands and Ebonics are both the same cases of communication that have evolved. I actually agree that both are languages not dialects because as human beings each of us is born into a family and community in which we acquire basic ways of behaving, believing and making interpretation about the world around us.
ResponderEliminarEven though they are similar in their variety of English spoken also in their widely studied, and its particular rules of grammar, pronunciation, and discourse have been described by linguists.
During my Reading time I could not find any difference. There were more similarities than differences
OLMAN ALEXIS HERNANDEZ
Ebonic is a variety of inglish spoken a least some people in the united estates and the inglish from the Bay Island both are decendant from african. But both depend to the culture each one.
ResponderEliminarI could say that both Ebonics and the English spoken in The Bay Islands are languages with many similarities.For instance,they both come from descendants of African men and women who were captured to work as slaves in America and so they created their own language derived from the English language which can give them personal,social,racial,ethnic and national identity.The difference between them is their grammar and pronunciation.As a conclusion I can say that it is essential that the language we speak must give us pride,honor and recognition.
ResponderEliminarIt has been a misuse of the term Dialect. Scholars use it right, as a descriptive term to refer to regional and social variations within a particular language. But in everyday usage it often carries a negative, pejorative connotation.
ResponderEliminarThe fact is that each of us speaks a particular variety or dialect of the language we are born into, and all languages varieties are legitimate and equal as communication systems.
In the case of Ebonics or African American Language it is a variety of English spoken by African Americans in the United States. Baldwin suggests that when the slaves were given the bible by their White masters, the formation of the Black church began and ¨it was within this unprecedented tabernacle that Black English began to be formed¨. ¨This was not, merely... the adoption of a foreing tongue, but an alchemy that transformed ancient elements into a new language¨.
Ebonics and Bay Islands English are similar in that they are both a Variety of English and all languages varieties are legitimate and equal as comunication systems. The difference between them are some facts of their Histories and that they both have systematic differences in phonology, morphology, syntax, semantics and pragmatics.
Ingrid Reyes Caceres